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Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Thom Geiger at 11/20/2009 9:36:00 PM: I have been going toe-to-toe with CHS and CMSD administration, Del Phillips, P. Mcintosh, Craig Shannon and Kennedy Meaders since their first weeks at the school.
I've picked up beer and whiskey bottles in the student parking lot day after day after day, especially on Sundays (the student lot borders on the First Christian Church on McCrary Rd.), after the loud Saturday night alcohol parties in the parking lot after football and basketball games.
I posted dozens of pictures and more and more pictures to the Internet, all the while being threatened by people who claim to have friends and relatives in the CHS principal's and CMSD central offices.
My employment has been threatened, I was threatened with arrest several times, confronted on almost every occasion by staff and security at the school (I have publicly stated I only picked up the containers when no one was at the school), my wife was terrified I would be killed, and I received threatening emails from senders claiming to be students at the school.
The problems at the school are not new and didn't just appear out of thin air this year. Hotly argued debates have been going on on ColumbusTalks since I started posting the photos on the forum.
What am I talking about? Copy and paste this into a web browser and you will see;
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What you see in that photo was NOT! pulled from any garbage cans in the student parking lot, it was all picked up off the asphalt, out in the open for anybody and everybody driving by too see, including parents of new students to the school, church-goers at the FCC, any business or industry scouts driving through Columbus to see where the city's high school is and any house hunters and potential residents of the neighborhood around the school.
The school has degenerated into a horrible neighbor in a once peaceful neighborhood. The signs that were once posted around the student parking lot, clearly showing rules about loud music and loitering, have been taken down (better to not put them up than to have them and not enforce them).
Many of the elderly residents around the school have had property stolen, their property and homes vandalized, students trespassing on their property, suffered for years through horribly loud after-game parties, squealing tires and breaking bottles, loud fights, screams...all AFTER the games, sometimes as late as midnight.
I said it years ago, when I started picking up things from the student parking lot; what people see on the outside reflects on what is going on inside.
Over the years, I have gotten emails, phone calls and messages from teachers, bus drivers, staff members who have been verbally abused by students, physically assaulted and threatened by students, who have gone to work in fear for their lives every day.
Enough is enough. I have been there and challenged Robert Smith, Kabir, every council member to man up and take a step forward. For at least the last five years, not one city official has done a thing.
When a young person was beaten so badly in the parking lot that he required reconstructive surgery, many of us in the neighborhood thought something would be done, but it wasn't.
When students were caught with guns in the student parking lot, we thought something would be done, but it wasn't.
When we had a wreck at the lot entrance after one of the parking lot parties, we thought something would be done, but it wasn't.
How much longer are we going to be waiting for something to happen? When are Del Phillips and Craig Shannon going to get serious about doing their jobs? God knows they're paid enough, its about time for them to start earning it. The school needs some serious lessons on what it means to be a good neighbor.
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Five-O at 11/20/2009 8:00:00 PM: Same goes for your house. No difference. Why dont you stop paying rent (taxes) on it. Taxes unfortunately are a needed thing. Yes they can get a little out of hand. But without them we wouldnt have the roads we have to drive on. Or the parks we take our kids to play at. That VERY small rent (tax) fee is worth it. Nice having police to protect you when needed or that occasional ambulance dont you think?
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
melody at 11/20/2009 7:34:00 PM: Shame on you Mr. Walter--your race card is showing. Health hazards need to be handled for the good of the people and shouldn't be hum hoeing around trying to look at the "speical interest" opinions before making a decision. Control is good when it is for the good health of everybody. GET it done already!
observer2 at 11/20/2009 7:19:00 PM: I think the Gogetum comment hit the nail on the head. Disappointment for sure. Especially, since the Mayor likes the 4 day a week mind set. What a nerve. People aren't that blind. If he had the city working on Fridays and then couldn't hack it , we'd probably understand a plea for help but how about some tact in dealing with other people in the government. Especially when the whole state is watching.
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Jack O''Lanten at 11/20/2009 6:33:00 PM: What ever happen to the "good sense" writters??
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
gloria at 11/20/2009 6:20:00 PM: I vote for the name "The W" thats what it will always be known as so why not make it official.
WhereIsSolomon? at 11/20/2009 5:12:00 PM: Hi, and it rarely is the majority behind all of the bad behavior in any situation. It's that small but obnoxious few that "ugly it up" for the rest of us.

I think that to spell out the name of a university and have to add ANY tag at all about male students as a subtitle is a dumb idea. It still looks like "OK, they made us do this in 1982, but we're clinging to the name, and are adding this ridiculous tag as an appeasement." And the tag on your diploma would still suggest "MUWAMSN", depending on how you wish to spell out 1982.

I want the school to stay open, too. I received what I believe to be an excellent education from this unique school. However unique the name is, that's not the "unique" quality to which I refer. This school has smaller class sizes on a smaller campus, making it easier for students and faculty to develop relationships that are conducive to learning (one professor was such an inspiring teacher, I took a non-required class that she taught just because I knew it would be useful at some point and would be an interesting class.) It's a personal education, if you will, and one for which I am very appreciative. Maintaining that environment for all students, male and female, and offering the same excellence in academics should be the mission of any school.

Due to the structure of the campus and the many fine buildings on campus, I don't think a merger would alter the intimacy factor. I never attended classes at MSU, but with such large classes, I would imagine it to be a rather anonymous kind of learning experience. Just a guess, but not an educated guess. There simply is no way to have such large classes at the MUW campus.

If the 2 schools were to merge, I agree that it wouldn't really save much money (unless you consider the president's salary; also, it would prevent more money being spent to study the name issue). I agree, too, that it would likely lead to the complete closure of this school, which would be a sad day for too many reasons to list.

MSMS, located on the MUW campus, would also be affected by either of those choices, merger or closure. Curiously, I haven't read any information about the fate of MSMS or opinions expressed by their faculty and staff. I am the proud parent of an MSMS alum, and would also be sad if that school were injured in the midst of the chaos.

The two alumni groups should get together, not just for a meeting about this crisis. First on the agenda should be to kick out the ones responsible for all of the in-fighting and negative attention, and there are a gracious plenty in both groups, so that first meeting might be a trifle long. With the remaining number of reasonable people, elect new officers, re-introduce the group as a united group, and stop responding to those who seek to distract and divide.

Make the package as attractive as possible if you expect the public (or those who have the power to merge/close the school) to support its future. It's been done before; it can be done again!
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
gogetum at 11/20/2009 4:34:00 PM: Bigg defferance en ward and district. Now, what's your openion on the mayor's little tantrum at the supes meeting? Surely you don;t thank that wuz intelligent, fairminded and wise. Disapointed a lot of folks , right?
Thom Geiger at 11/20/2009 4:34:00 PM: A correction or two;
The topic of a smoking ban came up in the televised mayoral election forums and Robert, who was the sitting mayor at the time, stated he felt business owners should decide whether or not to ban smoking in their businesses. The video of that forum is on the internet.
I don't believe it is a violation of law to express an opinion of laws or ordinances before they are passed. If that were the case, laws couldn't be passed because proponents of proposed legislation are, by the act of submitting said legislation, in support of same.
walter at 11/20/2009 3:53:00 PM: Ward or district, Gogetum. Opinion is spelled, OPINION. The operative word, I submit, is constituents, Gogetum. As far as President Obama's efforts to enact Health INSURANCE Reform, neither yourself, nor a thousand polls commissioned by special interests, could ever persuade me that informed and competent Americans are satisfied with the status quo: steadily increasing premiums and deductions; pre-existing illnesses clauses; limitation of services, etc. No. President Obama shouldn't give up on attempting to educate the public and introducing a REAL public option to the bill being debated.

Mayor Robert Smith has responded exactly the way an intelligent, fair-minded and wise person should, in the position he holds, as mayor. The role of the mayor is to vote, in the event there is a tie. To express his position before the council even votes would amount to a derelict of duty. Worse! He would be in violation of the law! To publicly express his opinion, is tantamount to casting a vote. Unlike other elected-officials, locally and nationally, whose role, as defined by law, is to cast the deciding vote, Columbus' wise and public-spirited mayor fully appreciates the significance of the law and has, as he always does, opted to obey the law.

If you want to know my humble opinion, I think they're both highly-qualified for their respective offices and are doing a fantastic job serving the citizens of Columbus. I sincerely hope and pray that the majority of the people realize just how bless they are to have the two of them representing you.

Naysayers, aside, Councilman Karriem has not stated that he would vote for or against a ban; Mayor Smith, as required by law, has refrained from publicly stating his position, too. As Councilman, Karriem desires only to respect those he represents by demanding that they be afforded the opportunity to weigh-in on how they feel. That's good leadership/representation, I think. As long as they both continue to giv the public their best and respect those who elected them, neither need ever worry about winning in any fair election anytime within the near or distant future.

As to how the Ward that Councilman Karriem represents will vote, I will offer my observations, since I'm not an elected-official; do not seek office and will not serve, if elected: The people of the 5th are no less intelligent or informed about health issues and other issues impacting their lives than are citizens of Columbus' other Wards. They appreciate the hazards associated with smoking--direct and second-hand--and also know the costs, in terms of lost revenue. quality of life and life, itself. I believe and do hope they'll vote affirmatively. Most people who are aware feel that way, I would think. The reason I admire and respect the Ward's dedicated representative so much is that he is willing, no insists upon giving the people the opportunity voice their opinions. For such, he is to be commended, not attacked by shallow persons with ulterior motives of their own.

Karriem is a member of a very distinguished family based in Columbus, Lowndes County. He knows that in the history of our home-town, far too many elected-officials never even considered our opinions about anything. They didn't really even consider us, period. This being a brand new day, Karriem, The Mayor and at least one other elected person within the county have wisely chosen to be more considerate and respectful of those who bestowed upon the great honor of serving them.

Sorry, for taking so long to answer. But, for some reason, your name was a challenge to me to be as thorough and meticulous in answering as possible. I apologize to Mr. Imes and The Dispatch for consuming so much space answering.

Briefly, for those who would point a finger at Karriem's brother, be careful. None of us knows precisely what our future entails. Farthermore, the American Medical Association has repeatedly classified hsi condition as a illness. Whether you agree, or not, the A.M.A. has been charged with the responsibility of deciding on an issue, such as that. I accept their decision and trust that they have had the requisite training to make the determination as to what is or isn't a illness. One day, perhaps, our judicial and legislative bodies, national and locally, will catch up, forego pursuing their private vested interest in maintaining the status quo and yield for the greater good of families, and society, in general.

I pray that Kamal and all others still suffering will find healing and join the battle to defeat demagogues who selfishly exploit, what is in essence, a disability of the spirit. For me, it was one of impatience. Now, I know that God Will produce the change and I have every reason to believe, it will be sooner, rather than later.
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Sarah at 11/20/2009 3:46:00 PM: To Solomon and WhereIsSolomon?: You're both overlooking the fact that the ones infighting are *not* the majority. The majority of W alumni et al. only want the W--regardless of its name--to survive with the mission that is the heart of the university intact. MSU is nothing like MUW.

I'm sorry if someone made the decision to put "and smart men too" at the bottom of diplomas. It's ok for a t-shirt, but official documents are another story entirely. Besides, it was only ever an official tag line, not part of the university's name. I graduated in 2000, and my diploma's heading says "Mississippi University for Women" with the tag "Admitting Men Since 1982" in a smaller font below.
Two more suspects arrested in Nov. 14 drive-by shooting 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
walter at 11/20/2009 2:55:00 PM: The community needs to know, beyond a shadow of doubt: who pulled the trigger? Without the benefit of parole, the maximum sentence is in order. Depending upon the circumstances of others being with him and other facts surrounding the matter, accomplices before and after deserve almost as much time.

People, the foolishness has gone on long enough. Emphasis must me placed on real crimes, istead of things mis-classified as such. If done, there will be fewer persons, among us, classified as criminals and fewer jails and prison-cells needed to house, feed and guard them.

The Governor proposes merging and probably eventually closing some colleges and universities within the state. What is keeping the people of the state from demanding that the legislature re-visit disfunctional laws, discard them and use the saving to upgrade institutions and increase salaries of persons devoted to educating the public. Is that much too sensible an idea for Mississippians to entertain? I think not. We deserve better, ya'll! We're better than our so-called leaders are making us appear, before the entire world!!


Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
A reader at 11/20/2009 2:36:00 PM: Megan, your argument that the name Miss Univ for Women is NOT sexist while arguing that Mullen's column IS sexist is a great example of the sheer lunacy behind the effort to retain the archaic name. Very entertaining column, Mr. Mullen. Thank you. Made me laugh out loud.
Y''allAreTooFunny at 11/20/2009 12:19:00 PM: Oh My!! OH MY!! Hopefully I will be able to stop laughing long enough to respond.

What is the overall metaphor? One portraying the university and the state as a family. And the two primary characters are Grandma and Claudia Limbert, who both happen to be what? Women! So just exactly how is this supposed to have been sexist?

The only offense committed by Mr.Mullen would, perhaps, be ageism, not sexism, if he is suggesting that the older generation are the only people opposed to the name change. Since he's an intelligent person, let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he knows that age is no barrier on the name-change issue, as there are younger people just as opposed to the change, and many older people who are in favor of a change. So in this reader's opinion, he's not the least bit guilty of sexism, nor is he guilty of ageism. As a woman, I wasn't offended by the editorial, but the responses were somewhat offensive.

But as usual, none of you are going to apologize for speaking unfairly, because you're right, as always, in your own eyes. Reality check: just because you're screaming the loudest does not make you right. It might just make you a screaming idiot.

Discrimination does still exist. However, these days, it exists against everyone at any given time. Women, men, pro-name-change, anti-merger, black, white, gay, straight, religious, non-believers, old, young...everyone faces discrimination at some point. You don't have the market cornered on that topic, whether by being a woman, or by posting a castigating response about a letter opposed to same-sex marriage. Rather than trying to attempt reasonable communication, you take the child's way and just start having a screaming fit to try to get your way. Personally, I wouldn't discriminate against you for anything other than being short-sighted and having an enormous chip (or a whole bag of them) on your shoulder.

Sigh... Everyone's a victim these days. Mr. Mullen, thanks for going out on a limb on what you know is a hot button. If those inside are wise, they will listen to you precisely because you don't have ties to the school. I would hope a little objectivity would be good for everybody.
Suspect in fatal beating, robbery faces trial 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
B etty Howard at 11/20/2009 12:05:00 PM:
I knew Harvey and you couldn't have asked for a better man. I could not believe that this happened. I would like to give Harvey's family my condolences. He had a love and a gift for helping the mentally impaired or slow. Words just can't express my heart. I do hope that that the investigation is thorough for all motives.
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
HK at 11/20/2009 11:39:00 AM: That is jsut mean --a house burned is a tragic thing.. no one deserves to have that done to their home. You should be ashamed for even thinking the thought. I say lock up the thugs for a long time! They were bad or else they would not have it out for a cop.. they are bad people.. I am sorry for the family that lost their home.
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Solomon at 11/20/2009 11:32:00 AM: "Better get your act together, folks."

Yes they better, and quick. Your comment is one of the best ever posted on this site. The "powers that be" should pay attention to this person, she has lived it and she has it right.
Bert Montgomery: The mellowing of a former peacenik 11/19/2009 12:58:00 PM
Michael at 11/20/2009 11:10:00 AM: With issues of war and peace, as with most everything else, making decisions and taking stands was so much easier when one was still able to view the world in black and white. At heart, I'm a pacifist; in reality, I wonder if the we can ever live a truly pacifist lifestyle in today's world. Evil is real and embodied in people--all of us. Without our military, even with all that is wrong with much of our nation's war involvement, where would we be?

Like you, I've come to that place in life where I marvel at the sacrifice made by so many men and women who have served and serve in the military. As I celebrate, I continue to pray for the day when the lamb and the lion will lie down together and swords will be beaten into plowshares. Until then, I continue to struggle as a pacifist military supporter. Am I oxymoronic?
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
Mel at 11/20/2009 10:30:00 AM: Steve, garbage? You've got to be kidding me! He and Larry are great at their jobs!! I can promise you that when you need help from law enforcement, they are the guys to have around! I've known Steve to go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure the public feels safe.
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Jack at 11/20/2009 10:28:00 AM: The article is in the OPINIONS section. An opinion piece from the writer, with no ties to the W or Columbus not-so-incidentally, is merely a vehicle to provoke discussion among those who might actually care about the W's future. Goal one accomplished. Sexist?? Accusing someone, anyone, to be sexist without either considering the facts and situation entirely is far worse than being sexist. At least a true sexist carries a self-inflicted wound. Your shameful assault on the writer is deplorable. It appears that some readers anticipate being maligned simply for being a woman and supporter of the W. How incredibly simple. The article obviously tied a real-life experience, probably too generously shared to undeserving venemous readers, with a thought provoking opinion piece.

All those crying sexism should be ashamed of yourselves. If not for people like you, there might actually be progress on projects like the W. How ironic that those who are so ignorant and socially insensitive are doing it in the name of education and woman's right to an institution bearing her name. If this actually is Grandma's last Thanksgiving at least she'll die knowing that what her generation did to move women's rights forward is now in the hands of women too bitter to see reality. What a shame.
Bert Montgomery: The mellowing of a former peacenik 11/19/2009 12:58:00 PM
Grahame Edwards at 11/20/2009 10:04:00 AM: G'day Bert,

The older i get, the more questions I have. I am certain of one thing: God's enduring and overwhelming love. Apart from that, the older I get, the more aware I am of my puny amount of understanding and the vastness of my ignorance.

I have great respect for other people and the glimpse of life (and maybe God) that they provide.

As for war and peace, my favourite thing ever written about war remains Alice's Restaurant (which I heard at the impressionable age of 14 when it was released but which has stood the test of time).

By the way, my favourite Beatle is Johnny Cash, whose "Singin' In Vietnam Talkin' Blues" makes a lot of sense.

I enjoy reading your work, mate. Keep it coming. : )
Curbside recycling records biggest week yet 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
news at 11/20/2009 10:03:00 AM: The trick is that it needs to remain voluntary and free. That way those who choose to recycle can do so without forcing ideals or costs on other citizens.
If it is forced on people or you require the city as a whole to pay for it, then you will run into resistance.
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
melody at 11/20/2009 9:55:00 AM: Hey Five-0 , You may think you own property- actually, you just rent it from the local government. Stop paying the rent(taxes) and see how long you can call it yours. Won't be long till you are told to get the heck out by the government.
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
JC at 11/20/2009 9:24:00 AM: It takes a special kind of stupid to burn a LEO's house.
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
WhereIsSolomon? at 11/20/2009 8:43:00 AM: I am also an alum. But I'm an embarrassed alum.

Why?

Well, the fact that my diploma states "Mississippi University for Women" then goes on to add "And Smart Men, too!"

Whose incredibly stupid idea was that little add-on? I'm female, by the way.

So that would suggest a minor name change from MUW to MUWASMT.

Beyond that, the bickering, in-fighting and everything else that has reflected poorly on the university, its administration, faculty, staff, and all of us who attended/graduated from this school is ridiculous!

Two sides fighting over the issue of a name change...to the extent that the only publicity you've received has been horrible. And it's self-generated! Is this who you want people to think you really are, and what the MUW community is all about?

What would Solomon do? Suggest cutting the baby in half. Only none of you are acting like the real mother. You're all acting like the mother who thought that was a good idea. And it looks like you're about to get your wish. Congratulations.

If you believe that the university is a dynamic, living institution, then how can you be against changing the name? Claudia Limbert is hardly the first person to visit this topic. I'll agree that she has been, at times, a divisive presence, but she can't be blamed for the name-change idea. The name, frankly, should have been changed after the university lost its battle with Joe Hogan and had to start admitting male students, more than a quarter-century ago!

The consequences to the school are about to be obvious. Less obvious is that people who were once friends have exchanged harsh and bitter words and caused hurts that may never heal.

To insist on keeping an outdated name is to advertise "Welcome to MUW, where we are stuck in the past and refuse to move forward. But pay no attention to that, because we like to call ourselves progressive, even though we're obviously not! Please know that in spite of our name, we do admit males, albeit grudgingly and only because we were forced to do so since we receive state funding."

I don't personally like "Reneau" for the new name, although I appreciate the good work done by Sally Reneau. I think that some people do like saying it for the purpose of sounding pretentious. However, if you can't let go of the past to step into the future, you may not have a future, because we all know what would really happen if you cut the baby in half.

Better get your act together, folks.




Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Avatar at 11/20/2009 8:36:00 AM: KUDOS to Tom and Five-O ....right on the money! Saved me a lot of typing...I couldn't have said it better.
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
TD at 11/20/2009 8:31:00 AM: I don' follow your logic Tom. Keep things quiet?????

I was driving through Caledonia Saturday. The fire was long out - meaning no firetrucks, no smell of smoke but yards of police tape. This was news that should have been reported with comments that the investigation is on-going.

But I forgot .... this is the Dispatch we're talking about and they probably think Caledonia is in Monroe County rather than Lowndes Co.
New Hope to get technology upgrade 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
Jeremy at 11/20/2009 8:27:00 AM: very good class. im proud of their work ethics
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
CCHart at 11/20/2009 8:26:00 AM: Mississippi you are on the bottom again! Number 50 in the health category. Obesity and smoking! Wow these are two statisics that will bring industry and growth to the area.Not!
What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
14/88 at 11/20/2009 7:52:00 AM: Walter,
get off it. Everyone is tired of the "change" bandwagon. The president should be, if one is appointed, a person capable and passionate enough to provide the leadership the university desperately needs and deserves. If a black man or woman is the fit, fine. If not, then that's the way it is.
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
Lamar at 11/20/2009 7:47:00 AM: I've known Larry for quite a while. He is a great guy and did not deserve this, nor did his children. I too am glad he was not at home at the time and I know he will have support from friends, the great town of Caledonia and the Sheriff's office. I hope the remark about Steve wasn't a snide one, because he is an excellent deputy as well. Both of these men perform their duties to the best of their capabilities and are well respected members of the community. I wish all the best for them both.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
TL at 11/20/2009 7:36:00 AM: Given the population size of Mississippi, it is hard to justify to 8 4-year institutions. This is also more difficult when there are well known and large out-of-state public institutions in close proximity to the Mississippi population.

Ultimately, Mississippians need to decide whether they want to pay more taxes to support these institutions or not pay. Likewise, W alums need to decide whether they want to contribute more to keep the W open.


Bert Montgomery: The mellowing of a former peacenik 11/19/2009 12:58:00 PM
Matthew at 11/20/2009 7:17:00 AM: Great stuff Bert! Thanks for sharing your perspective on a conversation that will be batted around for the rest of time!
Two more suspects arrested in Nov. 14 drive-by shooting 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
EXCHS at 11/20/2009 6:50:00 AM: This is what happens when you give one man a "blank check" remember WWI. That's why I pulled my son out of there yesterday.
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Five-O at 11/20/2009 5:06:00 AM: Then again maybe Mi Toros does allow smokeing?? Hasnt hurt their business if they do. People still go there.
Five-O at 11/20/2009 4:57:00 AM: Oh c"mon....your a little over the top on that one. I never said smoking wasnt bad for you nor did I like it. Here is where you are wrong. You, I, and everyone else pays taxes. The City, State, & Fed Gov. takes that money, builds and maintains those roads. Therefore we all own those roads in which everyone drives on. We pay the Gov. to do this for us. The land that the roads are on are all owned by everyone that pays taxes. The Gov. who we own as a whole should look after each and every ones safety on the road since we all have a part in it. So I would say yes the Gov has the right to issue laws that protect you and I since we all own it. Your tax dollars on the other hand does not purchase/pay for a restaurant or the land it sits on. It is owned privately just like the house you own. A restaurants license to operate is to meet health requirements in food preperations and cleanliness of the business only. Not to dictate if a smoker is lighting up. Lets see now. You go to Mi Toro and there is no smoking allowed there. Thats by the business owners own discretion. Applebees allows smoking and is decided by that business owners discretion. Hasnt hurt their business now has it? You still go there dont you? None of the fast food places allow smoking by their own discretion. Not sure if Harveys allows smoking or not...I kind of think they do. Sure hasnt hurt their business. How many public places have you been too lately that you saw someone smoking inside the business? If you want to go somewhere to eat without smoking at all then lobby the Gov. to make cigs illegal all together. Dont punish a business owner with fines because he chooses to run his privately owned business the way he wants by allowing a smoking section. Just dont go there if you dont want to smell smoke. Hasnt hurt Applebees business.
HAHA thats"s right
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
LEO at 11/19/2009 9:23:00 PM: Things like this is actually one of the risks you take with being the police. Especially if you are proactive. I'm just happy Larry wasn't home at the time.
What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
V. at 11/19/2009 8:55:00 PM: Fred,
I 100% agree with you!!!!!
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Reality at 11/19/2009 6:43:00 PM: I think your message was quite clear, if and when one made it to the end of the article! The idea that a name change is the only salvation for MUW is also only your opinion, not reality. The reality is that the name change needs to be dropped at the point, so that all groups can come together to oppose the merger of The W with MSU. Should merger happen you won't have to worry about a name change, because it WILL be MSU - Columbus. (hmm, maybe that is what you really want!)
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Oh c''mon at 11/19/2009 6:38:00 PM: The government makes laws to protect its citizens; they are not encroaching upon our rights. Sure you own a restaurant and you think you can do what you want with it and for the most part you can. However the city feels that making public places smoke free is more of a benefit to health and they should make the call to make its citizens healthier. I mean the government says you can't drink and drive; well it's my car so I can right? Well it's my car so I don't have to obey speed limits or wear a seatbelt right? Wrong, these are laws to protect its citizens, this is no different. The smoking population is shrinking and smoking sections in restaurants are small so by not allowing smokers you are giving non smokers more room in a healthier environment. It would actually make your restaurant more appealing to the masses. So you're telling me that you would lose the majority for the minority?? If so you won't last long in business!
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Megan Morgan at 11/19/2009 6:25:00 PM: Actually, no, it's not. Asserting the necessity of maintaining a women's focus in education, a field which IS still "shockingly sexist," is far from sexism. People like to claim "reverse sexism" without understanding the intricate workings of prejudice. Women still face a great deal of prejudice and opposition in higher education, and to attempt to elide that by pretending everything's okay is simply objectionable. It's rather like claiming that racism is dead because we elected Barack Obama, so now we don't need schools that are focused on providing opportunities for minorities (hmm, another item on the Barbour agenda, come to think of it!).
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Former Student at 11/19/2009 6:16:00 PM: I believe that the merger could possibly do some good for those involved. Everyone knows that the W's funding has plummeted tremendously since admission rates have continued to fall below avg. Its true that the small class settings and small campus is great but, that's about it. The degree programs/classes are very limited. with the merger, at least the doors will still be open. Without students, there's no money, without money, there is no MUW. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation for those who so love the school.
Two more suspects arrested in Nov. 14 drive-by shooting 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
What? at 11/19/2009 4:57:00 PM: The school board needs to come out there and speak to the teachers they are the ones that are actually in the trenches everyday. I know that some parents are not doing their jobs, but how in the world are these kids able to stay in school? Myy nephew just told me that they caught a boy and girl in the bathroom? What is going on?
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
thats''s right at 11/19/2009 4:55:00 PM: Five-O ----SHAME ON YOU, SHAME, SHAME!! WHAT WOULD YOUR MOTHER SAY??? and anyway when are you going to open your restaurant? so why are you supporting that crap? You better be joking and stand up for whats right!

MR. YOU KNOW WHO... YOU ARE IN TROUBLE!!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!!!THIS IS NO JOKE!!!!!
we need all the non-smokers to support this!!!no time for joking.

Enough already-- no, someone sitting next to me drinking or even across the room, does not affect my health. yes if you drink and drive that could harm someone.....but that IS illegal! again stepping in gum does not affect your health but smoking does and second hand smoke definitely does! And yes we have bigger issues....making MS a healthier state.
MUW is alive and kicking 11/19/2009 12:59:00 PM
msgalnca at 11/19/2009 4:53:00 PM: I, too, am a "W" alum who has moved out of state. I am now a high school English teacher in California, and the education I received at the "W" carries me through every single aspect of my profession. I learned invaluable lessons from my professors, who taught me that to be the best you must be more than just a brain - you must be well-rounded and strive for the betterment of everyone around you. That lesson will be lost if the "W" is forced to merge with Mississippi State. The programs that make the "W" special will become just a satellite of the programs at a large, impersonal state school. I know this firsthand, because my master's degree came from Mississippi State. Both are good schools, but the "W" is the one with the tradition of excellence, and the professors with the ability to reach their students. I will do whatever I can from California to get that message through to Haley Barbour!!!
Two more suspects arrested in Nov. 14 drive-by shooting 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
Notworththemoney at 11/19/2009 4:51:00 PM: I just read the packet you mean to tell me that I was sitting there watching a Columbus Hign basketball game and all hell was breaking lose outside. There were only two security officers at the game. No athletic director or prinicpal. I wonder what would have happened if the fight had spilled over into the gym? Hey school board that high price superintendent is not worth that kind of money. Need to fire him and use his pay on more security officers,a drug dog, more cameras and medal detectors.
Shooting suspects still at large 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
M at 11/19/2009 4:04:00 PM: Not to be one of those crazies who tracks sex offenders, but I'm curious as to why the fact that one of these suspects (Roderick Franklin) is a registered sex offender has not been publicized. Perhaps that knowledge would encourage folks to turn him in.
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Steve Mullen at 11/19/2009 3:29:00 PM: "Stupid article," maybe. They can't all be gems. But it wasn't my intent to be sexist, much less "shockingly sexist." Metaphors aside, the intended message is: MUW's best shot at remaining independent and viable into the future is to embrace a gender-neutral name. To deny that is to deny reality. And isn't clinging to "For Women" a bit sexist in itself?
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Sarah at 11/19/2009 3:28:00 PM: Or, rather than spending money on the name change, just start marketing the university's merits outside of the Golden Triangle under the most enduring, endearing name it's got: The W.

No new letter head or business cards necessary. Talking point built right in, and advocates could tell the same story they'd answer to the question of "Who is Reneau?" In fact, a university calling itself "The W" would probably get more curious queries than Reneau U. might.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
gogetum at 11/19/2009 3:17:00 PM: If that be your stand , bro. walter, surely you think Obama should just give up on the healthcare he's trying to cram down your throat, right? Since the majority of his constituents don't want it and are happy with what they presently have. Don't change your stand , be consistant now.
FYI It's called a ward in the city, I think it's ward 5 that Karriem represents. What's your openion on the mayor's reluctance? I think both are thinking about votes and not health hazards.
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
pam at 11/19/2009 3:17:00 PM: wonderful article. yes it is about money---but it is also about what Columbus will LOSE when the "W" closes.....and it will if the city does not get behind this university ! Yes - go with the name change , that needs to happen (yes, I am an alum ) then get someone with vision that can take the lemons and make lemonade. Look at Rhodes in Memphis, or Centenary College in Shreveport- two great examples of small, liberal arts universities. What do they have in common - both cities where they are located APPRECIATE the gem they have in their mist! Come on Columbus- demand that your gov't reps look out for your best interest. Get behind Reneau University and make it happen !
MUW is alive and kicking 11/19/2009 12:59:00 PM
Thumbs Up at 11/19/2009 3:16:00 PM: Amen, Dr. Dunkelberg.
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
pam at 11/19/2009 3:02:00 PM: Sexist and probably NOT politically correct---but so WHAT ?? The same people complaining about your article are the same ones that are taking themselves WAY TO SERIOUSLY and have their head buried in the red clay mud down by the river. Maybe you should have used a football analogy, then they could complain about you being a "good ole boy" ......
Not a Good Ole Boy at 11/19/2009 2:31:00 PM: This is shockingly sexist, especially coming from a man with a wife and two daughters. You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but I hope you realize the negative impact they'll have on your daughters.
What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Fred at 11/19/2009 2:19:00 PM: @Walter
The best candidate should be chosen regardless of race. You are a racist.
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
melody at 11/19/2009 2:12:00 PM: Enough already)- Give credit where it's due. It was the business owner Mayor Smith who broke the tie in favor of more hours for booze. Not all of the council was in favor of it.
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
I at 11/19/2009 1:53:00 PM: I guess Steve was at home otherwise they might have got his house too.
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
rm at 11/19/2009 1:53:00 PM: Repulsive,sexist and just plain dumb commentary. Really, who do you think you are?
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
tom at 11/19/2009 1:44:00 PM: Some things have to be kept quiet until all suspects are in custody. I'm sure that the talk around town was enough of a distraction for investigators without the media getting involved. I wish people would use the good sense God gave them.

And to all involved in the arson, I hope you have fun in jail!!! And I hope the judge gives you the maximum time allowed by law!!! Larry is a great friend of my family, he and my husband work together and the law enforcement "family" really looks out for each other. The people who did this do not deserve a slap on the wrist. When men and women becaome officers of the law, they do it to protect and serve the community and this is the thanks Larry got. It is a shame!!! If there are others involved I hope you slip up and get caught because you do not deserve to walk free. I am proud of the Lowndes Co. Sheriffs Dept. for handling this in such a timely manner. I hope this doesn't drag on in court forever. Put them in jail and forget about them!
me at 11/19/2009 1:42:00 PM: They probably waited until the packet came out to get the facts from it.
MUW is alive and kicking 11/19/2009 12:59:00 PM
''96 Alum at 11/19/2009 1:40:00 PM: Well said! As a former Columbian and '96 graduate of MUW, I will stand firm in my support -- all the way from Atlanta!
Kym Gore at 11/19/2009 1:34:00 PM: I want to publicly thank Professor Dunkelberg (one of my professors when I was a student at the W) for speaking out on the community's role in opposing merger. I was born and raised in Columbus, but I'm now simply a former resident and return to Columbus only to visit family and to attend functions at the W.

Because I "know" Columbus, I've been hesitant to speak about the lack of community support for the W because I know that Columbus residents resent "outside" criticism. In light of the deadly serious threat to the W's survival, however, I'm going to risk it. EVERYONE in Columbus, from its leaders to the average citizen, must speak against Governor Barbour's merger proposal. If the W does not remain an independent, free-standing university, the city will suffer irreparable damage.

I now live in a larger metropolitan area out-of-state. When my area loses a sizable business or entity, it impacts entire neighborhoods. The departure of a major employer (like the W is for Columbus) changes the value of the surrounding property, the "feel" of the area, and the viability of neighboring businesses. While that is an unfortunate reality in a large city, it would be catastrophic to Columbus.

The W has served Columbus faithfully for 125 years. It's time for Columbus to rally around the W and give back to her.

Kym Golden Gore
MUW Class of 1997
Caledonia marshal’s home burned 11/19/2009 11:42:00 AM
Susan at 11/19/2009 1:25:00 PM: Glad you finally "broke" this story since it happened almost a week ago..
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Enough already at 11/19/2009 12:30:00 PM: For the record, I am a non-smoker whose father (a smoker) died from cancer than started in his lungs. Does anyone find it ironic that the same council that expanded alchol sales to include Sundays (because it increased revenue) is now wanting to ban smoking? A vice is a vice. Drinking alchol can effect others the same as smoking can. If I get gum on my shoe in the Wal-Mart parking lot that someone carelessly spit on the ground, can we ban chewing gum next? Let's face it, you can't please everyone. Don't we have bigger issues to worry about?
Star at 11/19/2009 11:51:00 AM: Is someone going to arrest all of the teenagers at the midnight showing of New Moon tonight?
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Go away, caveman Mullen at 11/19/2009 11:41:00 AM: WOW....way to take the Dispatch backwards 50 years. Please crawl back in your cave!
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
walter at 11/19/2009 11:35:00 AM: An elected-official is never wrong for eliciting the wishes of his constituents! Regardless of the final outcome, I am proud of the fact that the 5th's representative respects the citizens within his district enough to request that they be given sufficint time to consider the matter.

Truth be told, the production, distribution and use of tobacco products is a matter that has long been neglected by the national government. Massive amount of data tracking illnesses and deaths have already been compiled to prove that it is a major health issue.

Isn't one of the primary purpose of the national government is the health and welfare of the people? Why are local governments even being forced to deal with the matter? How many millions of dollars in attorney fees were paid in the tobacco lawsuit? Didn't the people, through the office of the Attorney General , pay a lot to bring the case? Why was the matter left unfinished?

We have misplaced priorities, brothers and sisters. The ones who suffer the most, as a result, are younger generatins and those not yet born.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Lea Ann at 11/19/2009 11:29:00 AM: In response to ted, tt, and pp - this just makes the argument in support of the W - Most students have chosen The W BECAUSE of the small class sizes and access to instructors. Sure, if you want impersonal, go to a larger university or enroll online. Small class size was a major reason I chose the W. Not to mention the fact that I am a second generation alum and my husband was a third generation alum. People can say what they want about the ladies who have attended the W, but the truth is that you just won't understand what the W is all about unless you have been a student there. The W has survived for many years (thanks to loyal alumni)and I hope it will still be around when my children are making decisions about colleges.
What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
walter at 11/19/2009 11:15:00 AM: The time is ripe for an African American to head the "W." I am willing to bet that a truly fair and balanced screening and interviewing process will produce just the right person to fill the bill.

I know, based upon what I'm told, Mississippi has changed and is ready to make such a gigantic leap forward. Is there anyone out there who can help get word to the Governor? Southern, Ole Miss, The "W" and MSU have graduated a lot of African Americans since integration. Surely, there must be at least one who is sufficiently qualified and willing to seize the helm at The "W".
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Ex-smoker at 11/19/2009 8:44:00 AM: I smoked for over 30 years and quit a couple of years ago. The problem is not with the smokers, but with the tobacco companies that knew all along that their product was addictive and it would be extremely hard and sometimes painful for consumers to quit once they were hooked on tobacco. Now everyone is down on the smokers when the ones that gained monetarily from the tobacco products should be punished, not the consumers.
What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
A Sanborn at 11/19/2009 8:35:00 AM: For the board to say to not read too much into this is akin to getting a phone call from a relative at 2 a.m. that starts with the words ... "don't worry, but". If the search is planned to be tabled for a certain amount of time, then this should be stated clearly at the outset. To skip to the opposite end of the spectrum, it would seem to me that at least the IHL sees no reason to start the search process because in some ways it seems to be a foregone conclusion that the 'W' will not be around for much longer in its current form. Only time will tell.
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
FormerTrojans at 11/19/2009 7:14:00 AM: I see why Columbus High is so rough they are given to many chances. At New Hope you get o=your warning day one when you get your handbook, we have to take a test on the information in the handbook and pass it. When you broke the rules , you were dealt with, you didn's get off with a slap on the hand like Columbus.
Absentee ballots available for justice court race 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
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Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Five-O at 11/19/2009 12:57:00 AM: Here we go again....Lets see, I buy a building and land in which I now own. This is MY restaurant. I own it. I pay taxes to operate it. I pay for the license to operate it. So what gives the Gov. the right to dictate or force me to place a no smoking ban on MY property that I own? It should be up to the business owner to decide whether or not to ban smoking on his or her personally owned property....not the GOV. Next thing that will happen with this forced invasion of my rights to dictate how I run my business is the Gov. telling us what we can and cannot do in our own homes. The Gov. is inching its way little by little to control everything a person can and cannot do. Soon to be a communist country.
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Want more info at 11/18/2009 10:58:00 PM: 25 guns were found where?
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Ban Smoking!! at 11/18/2009 10:50:00 PM: When I go outside I want to be able to breathe fresh outside air, not be polluted with your smoke. Also as far as restaurants go, are you telling me that you can't go 1 hour to eat without having to cause your cancer? Your habit is your habit not mine and what you do affects everybody who is around you. Your right, non smokers can choose to go elsewhere but why would a business choose to lose its non smokers (which there are more of) over a few that smoke that does not sound like good business sense or an argument on your behalf. I'll tell you what, when I am next to you in an outdoor park and you are polluting my air with your choice of tobacco smoke, I will choose to spit my tobacco all over you. It's my choice right?? Ban Smoking Columbus get with the program, long term affects are much better than letting a few ruin our health!! LETS GO SMOKE FREE!!

What’s not on the agenda? MUW president search 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
TooGood at 11/18/2009 10:38:00 PM: Apparently THAT WOMAN is too good to replace. No one can do the job she has done. Can't fill her shoes. Really now, she's done a lot of great things for the W. Can't replace the best when you have nothing else.
Wonderful... at 11/18/2009 9:57:00 PM: That's just great - don't address the REAL need for this university: Finding a replacement for THAT WOMAN!!!
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
that''s right at 11/18/2009 9:38:00 PM: Wow, I think the next study should be on how smoking affects the brain. Apparently there is a significant loss in brain cells when a person smokes........Poor Tom.
Tom Laprade at 11/18/2009 9:10:00 PM: GOVERNMENT POWER THE REAL HEALTH HAZAR

The bandwagon of local smoking bans now steamrolling across the nation has nothing to do with protecting people from the supposed threat of "second-hand" smoke.

Indeed, the bans are symptoms of a far more grievous threat, a cancer that has been spreading for decades and has now metastasized throughout the body politic, spreading even to the tiniest organs of local government. This cancer is the only real hazard involved - the cancer of unlimited government power.

The issue is not whether second-hand smoke is a real danger or is in fact just a phantom menace, as a study published recently in the British Medical Journal indicates. The issue is: If it were harmful, what would be the proper reaction? Should anti-tobacco activists satisfy themselves with educating people about the potential danger and allowing them to make their own decisions, or should they seize the power of government and force people to make the "right" decision?

Supporters of local tobacco bans have made their choice. Rather than trying to protect people from an unwanted intrusion on their health, the bans are the unwanted intrusion.

Loudly billed as measures that only affect "public places," they have actually targeted private places: restaurants, bars, nightclubs, shops and offices - places whose owners are free to set anti-smoking rules or whose customers are free to go elsewhere if they don't like the smoke. Some local bans even harass smokers in places where their effect on others is negligible, such as outdoor public parks.

The decision to smoke, or to avoid "second-hand" smoke, is a question to be answered by each individual based on his own values and his own assessment of the risks. This is the same kind of decision free people make regarding every aspect of their lives: how much to spend or invest, whom to befriend or sleep with, whether to go to college or get a job, whether to get married or divorced, and so on.

All of these decisions involve risks; some have demonstrably harmful consequences; most are controversial and invite disapproval from the neighbours. But the individual must be free to make these decisions. He must be free because his life belongs to him, not to his neighbours, and only his own judgment can guide him through it.

Yet when it comes to smoking, this freedom is under attack. Smokers are a numerical minority, practising a habit considered annoying and unpleasant to the majority. So the majority has simply commandeered the power of government and used it to dictate their behaviour.

That is why these bans are far more threatening than the prospect of inhaling a few stray whiffs of tobacco while waiting for a table at your favourite restaurant. The anti-tobacco crusaders point in exaggerated alarm at those wisps of smoke while they unleash the unlimited intrusion of government into our lives. We do not elect officials to control and manipulate our behaviour.



Thomas Laprade

Thomas Laprade at 11/18/2009 8:40:00 PM:
If the public was honestly and truthfully informed about the effects of second-hand smoke, there would be fewer no-smoking laws in this country.
A little smoke from a handful of crushed leaves and some paper that is mixed with the air of a decently ventilated venue is going to harm or kill you?

There has never been a single study showing that exposure to the low levels of smoke found in bars and restaurants with decent modern ventilation and filtration systems kills or harms anyone.

As to the annoyance of smoking, a compromise between smokers and non-smokers can be reached, through setting a quality standard and the use of modern ventilation technology.

Air ventilation can easily create a comfortable environment that removes not just passive smoke, but also and especially the potentially serious contaminants that are independent from smoking.

Thomas Laprade

Tom Laprade at 11/18/2009 8:38:00 PM: City council were elected to run the business of the city, not the city's businesses.
The owners have the 'right' to use or permit a legal product on private property.
Smoke from tobacco in a decently ventilated venue is a statistically insignificant health risk

http://thetruthisalie.com

http://www.citizensfreedomalliance.org
Steve Mullen: Keeping Uncle Haley out of the kitchen 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Mary Smith at 11/18/2009 8:14:00 PM: Stupid article.
Megan Morgan at 11/18/2009 7:40:00 PM: I thought I'd seen all the sexist arguments for merging MUW out there. Guess I was wrong.
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Diane Brown at 11/18/2009 5:38:00 PM: Why does Columbus High not have medal detectors? They have them at Noxubee County and that school is not as big as Columbus nor do they have the money that Columbus has. We could easily be the next Columbine or Virginia Tech, God forbid. It was reported that about 25 guns were found.What happened to providing protection for the kids and teachers that attend school?
Pimpinainteasy at 11/18/2009 5:26:00 PM: Dr.Phil Good is a pimp and the football players are the hustlers
John Davis at 11/18/2009 5:20:00 PM: Yes I agree discipline does start at home, but also at school as well.Students spend 8 hours at school. What kind of lesson can you learn when you cut class or sagging or argue with a teacher and all you get is a conference with one of the assistant principals. OR you get five days to make up your work after being absent from school, which is the school rule but the teachers turns around 2 months later and give you another chance to make the work up. I bet if I go to work and do not do what I'm suppose to I probably won't get another opportunity to make it up. It is called responsibility. I cut class Monday thru Wed but I start Friday night in a football game. Lets face it Columbus High is not getting it done. Yes they put on a pretty show on the outside but the truth is surfacing to the light.
Freddy at 11/18/2009 4:33:00 PM: Columbus is turning into Aberdeen, which is a garbage pit.
EMCC football team accepts invitation to play in Mississippi Bowl 11/18/2009 10:33:00 AM
ST_Employee at 11/18/2009 3:43:00 PM: Good luck Lions. We will be there to root you on.
A Vietnam vet says thanks 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Tina Blackwell at 11/18/2009 3:08:00 PM: We should thank ALL our military servants, past and present! God Bless you ALL!
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
PP at 11/18/2009 1:00:00 PM: Courses that matter are offered online.
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Barbara at 11/18/2009 12:43:00 PM: I agree with much of the comments that are made. But, it ALL STARTS AT HOME. It is not the teachers jobs to teach your children what they should have already learned at home. I do feel that some things in the school system needs to be upped; and for those who are in the school district and just holding a seat needs to be moved. Put some one in there who want to teach our children and give them the most protection at school that you can, as if they were your own. But PARENTS for the most part your jobs is to teach them DISCIPLINE & RESPECT. And the thing that kills me is that half of the parents are afraid of their own children. If you can't do anything with them; then what makes you think the school system can make a total change. It starts at home. Parents you need not to only come to the school, when your child tells you some one mistreated them. Come all though the year, come to PTO meetings, pop-up unannounce to make sure things are going the way they should be. Stop talking about other adults, teachers, preachers & others that your children will come in contact with. Children listen to you when least think they are. So how can you expect them to respect others when they hear you talking about the Adults. Just remember it takes a Village to raise a child, so don't tear yours down.
Walter at 11/18/2009 12:37:00 PM: If guilty, all persons involved, deserve the maximum penalty available under the law. No plea bargain to a lesser charge should be in the offering for this violent crime or any other respecting physical or potential harm to another.

Swiftly, try them fairly, and make it as public a trial as possible. If The Dispatch is able to afford it, assign as many reporters to the story as possible. Give it coverage from all media, far and wide! Thugs depraved enough to driveby, discharging a weapon and risk injurying children or other innocent bystanders are a low as they come.

The bar (defense and prosecutor), law enforcement, the bench, elected-officials and all concerned-citizens must recognize the looming threat that the increasing violence among the youths, residents in general, portend for the area. Law enforement and the court must re-order its priority and adopt a policy of zero tolerance toward offenses involving weapons. Sure, such a policy, is already enacted. But, has it been publicized and demonstrated as wide-spread as those involving, say, drugs and paraphenalia?

The capacity of the state to house and feed inmates is limited. Common-sense dictates that steadily decreasing resources for imprisonment should be directed toward incarcerating vilent offenders and holding them for longer period of time, bar none. To do so, non-violent offenders must be punished, short of imprisonment, so that limited space and resource would be available for individuals depraved enough to shoot from a moving car, whether the car is moving rapidly or slowly.

Where is the deterrence to violent crime, if persons convicted of petty drug offenses get, in some instances, more than triple the time that another gets for taking another person's life or causing someone serious bodily harm? The time is way over-due for elected-officials and concerned-citizens to restore a semblance of balance and sanity to the state's enforcement and sentencing laws. How much more evidence is needed to prove that the system isn't achieving the desired result? Unless the desired result is to simple remove as many young persons of a certain class or race and to encourage them to continue the wholesale killing of one another, the time for reform of the criminal laws of the state is past due.
Citizens to weigh in on smoking ban 11/18/2009 10:03:00 AM
Curfew at 11/18/2009 12:00:00 PM: Why such a late curfew for week nights? So now I have to deal with kids hanging in my street til 11 PM - much later than I go to bed for the night but due to it being "ok" for them to loiter til then there's not much I can do about their congregating. They ought to be home well before then.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
tt at 11/18/2009 11:08:00 AM: Not every course is offered online and not everybody wants to take online classes.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
gogetum at 11/18/2009 11:04:00 AM: I sure thought Karriem had more backbone than that, didn't you? Disappointment runs in the family , so they say. Hope he isn't taking up where his bro. left off for sure. He just needs to suck it up and do what is right about this thing. There isn't any room for pussyfooting around when it comes to the health and safety of his constitutes. Mature adults don't have to labor about how to vote on this one. Won't vote for him again either. Sure has put a dent in his Mayor posibilities. However, Mr. Smith seems to be reluctant too. So no more voting for him either. Lord, give us a mature canditate with backbone in our next election, maybe a Mr. Box . He sure has the guts to make a stand for what's best for the whole city , so if he runs ---he has my vote.
LS at 11/18/2009 9:59:00 AM: Why is Columbus so relunctant to pass a no smoking policy?? You say you want to have a hearing to see what the public wants....Karriem, you represent the public...That's why folks in your district trusted you and elected you to speak for them. Holding a public hearing is like telling them you can't make a decission. Progressive cities and towns already have bans on smoking. Get with the program. I know we live in America where individual rights are important, but in this case (damaging the health of others) Societies rights are more important. Ban smoking!
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Concerned at 11/18/2009 9:17:00 AM: This is real disturbing. Word on the street is that all of the boys in the car were on Columbus high's football team. We are placing so much pressure on these coaches to win a football game, that we are loosing our future. They can't select the good students and work with them to build a solid winning program, because we have placed the in the "win now mode". It is not their fault these kids are like this, it is ours, they are forced to allow the more athletic bad students play. It is starting to appear that Columbus high is really not a safe place to have your child educated. Now I understand why the Joe Higgins is pushing county schools.

What we are not focusing on is that what happens at the school is affecting our community as a whole. We need to allow the school system to get tough on the one's that does not want to be eduacated. We need to take the politics out of the eduaction process. The city of Columbus is going down, and going down REAL FAST!!!!! This is truly a sad day!
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Fred at 11/18/2009 8:43:00 AM: @GGclark

I think you are thinking of Kamal Karriem.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
ted at 11/18/2009 8:38:00 AM: You don't have to drive to Starkville. MSU has online classes.
MM at 11/18/2009 8:08:00 AM: As a guy currently enrolled at the W, I can see both sides. First off, I am worried that a merger would force my major to be dropped or that I would have to start traveling to Starkville in order to take some of my classes. On the other hand, like many others have said, how can we as taxpayers continue to put a huge amount of money into a college that only has enrollment of 2500 students. The W is the smallest in the state.
No to a merger, yes to a new identity 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
feedback at 11/18/2009 7:28:00 AM: Great idea from the Dispatch. Who's going to write the check? Flowery prose aside, this is about money, or the lack of it.
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Nothing New at 11/18/2009 7:19:00 AM: This type of activity is not new. The police department and sheriff's department have had town meetings to discuss this type of behavior and of gang activity.

The community has to support the school personnel and law enforcement officers. Parents must not be so critical of measures taken to change behavior of students. Many parents believe what their children say no matter what. They say the school picks on their child. I could only imagine what my parent would have done if I had ever told the teacher, "You can't make me" or have been disrespectful.

If you are a parent, don't ever say that your child wouldn't do that. Hopefully, that is true. If you know a parent who is turning a blind eye to what their child is doing, help them understand that they are not doing their child a favor by defending them. Know where your children are at all times.

Administrators, teachers, coaches--Set strong discipline expectations, take out lockers (where students gather), require mesh bags, supervise every area of the building, require uniforms, use the drug dog, review procedures and rules to follow when confronting a student who may be a threat, etc. --possibly more officers and metal detectors.

Community: Always be alert to what is going on at all times. Be involved with students in your community. Volunteer in a middle or high school.

Law Officers: Continue to be vigilant, provide training to school personnel and community persons to be more aware of what is going on in the Columbus/Lowndes County area, and enforce the curfew.

Everyone has a part to play in improving the quality of our communities.

It's time we all take the responsibility for improving our communities and all of our schools in Lowndes County and Columbus and the blame when our area is in trouble.




Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Bill at 11/18/2009 7:19:00 AM: I agree with TD, Individuals should decide for themselves and make that decission know through their wallet. What is really needed is protection for those that can't protect themselves, children. Allow a business to decide to or not to ban smoking, but if they don't, then they should be required to only allow persons over 21 to enter. as it is put more teeth in the ban, add another zero to the fines for 2nd and 3rg violations.
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Concered at 11/18/2009 6:13:00 AM: My gosh Columbus/Lowndes County need to wake up and smell the gun powder. There is NOTHING to do in Columbus for young people. It is sad that you can't go out at night without fear. Their lives are ruined in a matter of moments because they are bored. This problem is not just related to Columbus High School it is in ALL the schools. Get metal detectors instead of beautification items for the schools do what we have to do to keep our young people out of the system.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
TD at 11/17/2009 10:36:00 PM: I don't smoke. I hate the smell of smoke. BUT

This should be a free-market decision not a government decision.

Individual business owners can permit or prohitib smoking in their businesses. As a non-smoker, those are the places I should patronize.

Government is too intrusive on every level. Here is a great example on the local level.
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News at 11/17/2009 10:24:00 PM: Why haven't this been on the news? We have local high school teenagers running around town with guns.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
GGClark at 11/17/2009 10:16:00 PM: I thought Kariem smoked Crack...what's he worried about cigs for?
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
ArmedandDangerous at 11/17/2009 9:42:00 PM: All I want to know is where is the discipline? These are bubba Gump boys did you all not teach them anything? We saw that they did not get much in the way of football training but could you all at least have instilled some discipline?
Showmethemoney at 11/17/2009 9:38:00 PM: Columbus High the new Wild Wild East. Phil as much as we pay you, you could pay for the metal detectors out of your pocket you and your henchman Shannon. Funny how the high school has gone down the tubes within the last 2 years. Spending more does not mean better.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Sheldon Bowen at 11/17/2009 8:02:00 PM: My American Legiion in Aberdeen has banned smoking in the building. I also go to the American Legion in Columbus, and it is a stinking irrateable mess. Smoking needs banned. It provides nothing but a horible stinking habit that we, the people from other cities, have to put up with when we make Columbus our shopping destination. Come on aldermen. Act grown up and stop the smoking. You have the power. Do you have the brains? Certainly hope so. Then I can continue shopping in Columbus. Without it, I will stop coming to your city altogether. Please, for health sakes, and other peoples right to enjoy themselves, do away with smoing. Thank you-and have a happy day.
Bill Crawford: Mississippi State University for Women 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
disgusted at 11/17/2009 6:41:00 PM: Why is it that those who speak against the name change, although educated, intelligent individuals who are also knowledgeable of this issue, are categorized as "flame throwers"?!
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Gun Owner at 11/17/2009 6:26:00 PM: They scattered when the police showed up, naturally. But one of them involved left his jacket behind and it had his school ID in it. I guess he didn't think that one thru. The police caught up with some of them behind Food Giant. There was mention of 2 people having guns. Sounds like metal detectors would be a good investment. Hear that Dr. Philips?
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Greg at 11/17/2009 6:04:00 PM: Don't waste the councils time by postponing the vote. Just vote on it. I think Karriem is worried about getting reelected so he wants to put blame on the public when he casts his vote. Vote "YES" and help make this a better city for everyone.

MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Megan Morgan at 11/17/2009 6:00:00 PM: Dave, I'm a young alum who disapproves of merging the state's finest institution with MSU. I know many, many alums my age, both women and men, who oppose this measure. It makes no fiscal sense, nor does it ever make sense to eliminate choice in higher education IMO. It's easy to blame the "blue-haired mafia" for whatever goes wrong at the W, but it's really never as simple as people like you would like to make out.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
me at 11/17/2009 5:28:00 PM: Ban smoking in ALL public places.

People should be allowed the freedom to be in public places (including Open air patios, porches or decks..and within so many feet of an entrance) without having to risk their health due to someones unhealthy habits. Smokers still have the right to kill themselves in non-public places. Why are you so afraid of stepping on someones toes? this is about health.....

did you read about MS being the unhealthiest state for the 9th year running??? http://health.yahoo.com/featured/67/the-healthiest-and-unhealthiest-states/
"Residence in MS are more likely to be smokers"
Banning smoking in all public places is not only healthier for everyone but it also helps eliminate the exposure for children who see smokers and might one day begin themselves.

Do something about it for once!...starkville did and they are growing...faster than columbus!

COLUMBUS DO YOUR PART IN MAKING COLUMBUS A HEALTHER STATE....

BAN SMOKING IN ALL PUBLIC PLACES!!!
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
JC at 11/17/2009 5:24:00 PM: They need medal detectors at every door.

That'll keep out C. Everett Koop.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Gene at 11/17/2009 4:49:00 PM: "Bob" forgets a lot of things, William. He's a spammer, otherwise known as "generalsn." (Google his text.)

His misleading boilerplate despoils every smoking-related message board in the country.

This anonymous, unconscionable Spam King seeks to "enlighten" all the poor, ignorant souls in Mississippi with his wisdom(!)

He's a bit of a troll, but your response anyway was great! Nicely done!
Columbus police arrest second shooting suspect 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
?????????? at 11/17/2009 4:43:00 PM: Do you know that the fight started at Columbus High Friday night in the school then they moved to the parking lot? What is going on out there.
Guncontrol at 11/17/2009 4:41:00 PM: Here we go again another Columbus student and football player. If these students have guns on the street, I wonder how many guns are taken to Columbus High School on daily basis. That school is NOT safe. They need medal detectors at every door. Dr. Phil when you are going to step up to the bat and deal with the situation? Thats why you get paid those BIG bucks.It's more to being a superintendent of schools than football.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Sarah at 11/17/2009 4:40:00 PM: http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249331>1=31036

From the article:
"Eight of the 10 bottom-ranked states are from the south, with Mississippi coming in dead last for the ninth consecutive year. Mississippi has a sky-high death rate from heart disease and high infant mortality. In general, residents of these states are more likely to be smokers or to be obese, the report found."

"UnitedHealth Group Executive Vice President Dr. Reed Tuckson says the report is meant to draw attention to public health issues, particularly the twin challenges of smoking and obesity."

If the Columbus city council members are trying to pass ordinances that will help make this state healthier, then there is absolutely no reason not to support it. If you are a smoker..this ordinance more than allows you to smoke in public places where you are not around children/teenagers/those who would prefer to stay away from smoke. It is more than fair.
William at 11/17/2009 4:23:00 PM: Bob,
You forgot to include some very important information on the 2nd website in your posted. So I have taken the time to copy and paste them. Mr. Karriem and the rest of the City Council members please take the time and do your research.

Numerous studies have found that tobacco smoke is a major contributor to indoor air pollution, and that breathing secondhand smoke (also known as environmental tobacco smoke) is a cause of disease in healthy nonsmokers, including heart disease, stroke, respiratory disease, and lung cancer. The National Cancer Institute determined in 1999 that secondhand smoke is responsible for the early deaths of approximately 53,000 Americans annually. (National Cancer Institute (NCI), "Health effects of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke: the report of the California Environmental Protection Agency. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monograph 10," Bethesda, MD: National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute (NCI), August 1999.)

The Public Health Service's National Toxicology Program (NTP) has listed secondhand smoke as a known carcinogen. (Environmental Health Information Service (EHIS), "Environmental tobacco smoke: first listed in the Ninth Report on Carcinogens," U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public Health Service, NTP, 2000; reaffirmed by the NTP in subsequent reports on carcinogens, 2003, 2005.)

Based on a finding by the California Environmental Protection Agency in 2005, the California Air Resources Board has determined that secondhand smoke is a toxic air contaminant, finding that exposure to secondhand smoke has serious health effects, including low birth-weight babies; sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS); increased respiratory infections in children; asthma in children and adults; lung cancer, sinus cancer, and breast cancer in younger, premenopausal women; heart disease; and death. (Appendix II Findings of the Scientific Review Panel: Findings of the Scientific Review Panel on Proposed Identification of Environmental Tobacco Smoke as a Toxic Air Contaminant as adopted at the Panel's June 24, 2005 Meeting," California Air Resources Board (ARB), September 12, 2005.)

Scientific evidence has firmly established that there is no safe level of exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke, a pollutant that causes serious illness in adults and children. There is also indisputable evidence that implementing 100% smoke-free environments is the only effective way to protect the population from the harmful effects of exposure to secondhand smoke. (World Health Organization (WHO), "Protection from exposure to secondhand smoke: policy recommendations," World Health Organization (WHO), 2007.)

A study of hospital admissions for acute myocardial infarction in Helena, Montana before, during, and after a local law eliminating smoking in workplaces and public places was in effect, has determined that laws to enforce smokefree workplaces and public places may be associated with a reduction in morbidity from heart disease. (Sargent, Richard P.; Shepard, Robert M.; Glantz, Stanton A., "Reduced incidence of admissions for myocardial infarction associated with public smoking ban: before and after study," British Medical Journal 328: 977-980, April 24, 2004.) Similar studies have been conducted in Bowling Green, Ohio; Monroe County, Indiana; Pueblo, Colorado; New York State; France; Greece; Italy; and Scotland. All of these studies have reached the conclusion that communities see an immediate reduction in heart attack admissions after the implementation of comprehensive smokefree laws. ([n.a.], "Bibliography of Secondhand Smoke Studies." American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation, February 26, 2008.)

A significant amount of secondhand smoke exposure occurs in the workplace. Employees who work in smoke-filled businesses suffer a 25-50% higher risk of heart attack and higher rates of death from cardiovascular disease and cancer, as well as increased acute respiratory disease and measurable decrease in lung function. (Pitsavos, C.; Panagiotakos, D.B.; Chrysohoou, C.; Skoumas, J.; Tzioumis, K.; Stefanadis, C.; Toutouzas, P., "Association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and the development of acute coronary syndromes: the CARDIO2000 case-control study," Tobacco Control 11(3): 220-225, September 2002.)

Studies measuring cotinine (metabolized nicotine) and NNAL (metabolized nitrosamine NNK, a tobacco-specific carcinogen linked to lung cancer) in hospitality workers find dramatic reductions in the levels of these biomarkers after a smokefree law takes effect. Average cotinine levels of New York City restaurant and bar workers decreased by 85% after the city's smokefree law went into effect. ([n.a.], "The State of Smoke-Free New York City: A One Year Review," New York City Department of Finance, New York City Department of Health & Mental Hygiene, New York City Department of Small Business Services, New York City Economic Development Corporation, March 2004). After the implementation of Ontario, Canada's Smokefree Indoor Air Law, levels of NNAL were reduced by 52% in nonsmoking casino employees and cotinine levels fell by 98%. (Geoffrey T. Fong, et. al., "The Impact of the Smoke-Free Ontario Act on Air Quality and Biomarkers of Exposure in Casinos: A Quasi-Experimental Study," Ontario Tobacco Control Conference, Niagara Falls, Ontario, December 2, 2006.)

Following a Health Hazard Evaluation of Las Vegas casino employees' secondhand smoke exposure in the workplace, which included indoor air quality tests and biomarker assessments, the National Institute of Occupational Safety & Health (NIOSH) concluded that the casino employees are exposed to dangerous levels of secondhand smoke at work and that their bodies absorb high levels of tobacco-specific chemicals NNK and cotinine during work shifts. NIOSH also concluded that the "best means of eliminating workplace exposure to [secondhand smoke] is to ban all smoking in the casinos." (Health hazard evaluation report: environmental and biological assessment of environmental tobacco smoke exposure among casino dealers, Las Vegas, NV. By Achutan C, West C, Mueller C, Boudreau Y, Mead K. Cincinnati, OH: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, NIOSH HETA No. 2005-0076 and 2005-0201-3080, May 2009.)

Secondhand smoke is particularly hazardous to elderly people, individuals with cardiovascular disease, and individuals with impaired respiratory function, including asthmatics and those with obstructive airway disease. (California Environmental Protection Agency (Cal EPA), "Health effects of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke", Tobacco Control 6(4): 346-353, Winter, 1997.) The Americans With Disabilities Act, which requires that disabled persons have access to public places and workplaces, deems impaired respiratory function to be a disability. (Daynard, R.A., "Environmental tobacco smoke and the Americans with Disabilities Act," Nonsmokers' Voice 15(1): 8-9.)

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has determined that the risk of acute myocardial infarction and coronary heart disease associated with exposure to tobacco smoke is non-linear at low doses, increasing rapidly with relatively small doses such as those received from secondhand smoke or actively smoking one or two cigarettes a day, and has warned that all patients at increased risk of coronary heart disease or with known coronary artery disease should avoid all indoor environments that permit smoking. (Pechacek, Terry F.; Babb, Stephen, "Commentary: How acute and reversible are the cardiovascular risks of secondhand smoke?" British Medical Journal 328: 980-983, April 24, 2004.)

Given the fact that there is no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke, the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE) bases its ventilation standards on totally smokefree environments. ASHRAE has determined that there is currently no air filtration or other ventilation technology that can completely eliminate all the carcinogenic components in secondhand smoke and the health risks caused by secondhand smoke exposure, and recommends that indoor environments be smokefree in their entirety. (Samet, J.; Bohanon, Jr., H.R.; Coultas, D.B.; Houston, T.P.; Persily, A.K.; Schoen, L.J.; Spengler, J.; Callaway, C.A., "ASHRAE position document on environmental tobacco smoke," American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE), 2005.)

During periods of active smoking, peak and average outdoor tobacco smoke (OTS) levels measured in outdoor cafes and restaurant and bar patios near smokers rival indoor tobacco smoke concentrations. (Klepeis, N.; Ott, W.R.; Switzer, P., "Real-time measurement of outdoor tobacco smoke particles," Journal of the Air & Waste Management Association 57: 522-534, 2007.)

Residual tobacco contamination, or "thirdhand smoke," from cigarettes, cigars, and other tobacco products is left behind after smoking occurs and builds up on surfaces and furnishings. This residue can linger in spaces long after smoking has ceased and continue to expose people to tobacco toxins. Sticky, highly toxic particulate matter, including nicotine, can cling to walls and ceilings. Gases can be absorbed into carpets, draperies, and other upholsteries, and then be reemitted (off-gassed) back into the air and recombine to form harmful compounds. (Singer, B.C.; Hodgson, A.T.; Nazaroff, W.W., "Effect of sorption on exposures to organic gases from environmental tobacco smoke (ETS)," Proceedings: Indoor Air 2002, 2002.) Tobacco residue is noticeably present in dust throughout places where smoking has occurred. (Matt, G.E.; Quintana, P.J.E.; Hovell, M.F.; Bernert, J.T.; Song, S.; Novianti, N.; Juarez, T.; Floro, J.; Gehrman, C.; Garcia, M.; Larson, S., "Households contaminated by environmental tobacco smoke: sources of infant exposures," Tobacco Control 13(1): 29-37, March 2004.)

Unregulated high-tech smoking devices, commonly referred to as electronic cigarettes, or "e-cigarettes," closely resemble and purposefully mimic the act of smoking by having users inhale vaporized liquid nicotine created by heat through an electronic ignition system. After testing a number of e-cigarettes from two leading manufacturers, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) determined that various samples tested contained not only nicotine but also detectable levels of known carcinogens and toxic chemicals, including tobacco-specific nitrosamines and diethylene glycol, a toxic chemical used in antifreeze. The FDA's testing also suggested that "quality control processes used to manufacture these products are inconsistent or non-existent." ([n.a.], "Summary of results: laboratory analysis of electronic cigarettes conducted by FDA," Food and Drug Administration (FDA), July 22, 2009; http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm173146.htm Accessed on: October 22, 2009) E-cigarettes produce a vapor of undetermined and potentially harmful substances, which may appear similar to the smoke emitted by traditional tobacco products. Their use in workplaces and public places where smoking of traditional tobacco products is prohibited creates concern and confusion and leads to difficulties in enforcing the smoking prohibitions.

The Society of Actuaries has determined that secondhand smoke costs the U.S. economy roughly $10 billion a year: $5 billion in estimated medical costs associated with secondhand smoke exposure and $4.6 billion in lost productivity. (Behan, D.F.; Eriksen, M.P.; Lin, Y., "Economic Effects of Environmental Tobacco Smoke," Society of Actuaries, March 31, 2005.)

Numerous economic analyses examining restaurant and hotel receipts and controlling for economic variables have shown either no difference or a positive economic impact after enactment of laws requiring workplaces to be smokefree. Creation of smokefree workplaces is sound economic policy and provides the maximum level of employee health and safety. (Glantz, S.A. & Smith, L. The effect of ordinances requiring smokefree restaurants on restaurant sales in the United States. American Journal of Public Health, 87:1687-1693, 1997; Colman, R.; Urbonas, C.M., "The economic impact of smoke-free workplaces: an assessment for Nova Scotia, prepared for Tobacco Control Unit, Nova Scotia Department of Health," GPI Atlantic, September 2001.)

Hundreds of communities in the U.S., plus numerous states, including Arizona, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Utah, and Washington, have enacted laws requiring all workplaces, restaurants, bars, and other public places to be smokefree, as have numerous countries, including Bhutan, France, Iceland, Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore, Uruguay, and the United Kingdom constituent countries of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

There is no legal or constitutional "right to smoke." Business owners have no legal or constitutional right to expose their employees and customers to the toxic chemicals in secondhand smoke. On the contrary, employers have a common law duty to provide their workers with a workplace that is not unreasonably dangerous.

Smoking is a potential cause of fires; cigarette and cigar burns and ash stains on merchandise and fixtures causes economic damage to businesses. ("The high price of cigarette smoking," Business & Health 15(8), Supplement A: 6-9, August 1997.)

The smoking of tobacco is a form of air pollution, a positive danger to health, and a material public nuisance.


Bill Crawford: Mississippi State University for Women 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Bill Bruford at 11/17/2009 4:10:00 PM: I've known Bill Crawford for some time. He is an educated, intelligent individual with the credentials to comment on this issue. He is not a flame thrower by nature.

This should be required reading by those on both sides of the issue. I hear all the arguments why the "W" should be left alone but I'm afraid the constant struggles to stay solvent and relevant lead me to believe the emperor(emperoress?) has no clothes.

Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
William at 11/17/2009 4:06:00 PM: Bob,
Why do people that don't smoke have to put up with the stinch of smokers in resturants. Can you and your fellow smokers not refrain from smoking for 1 hour and not impose your nasty habit on others. Not to mention jeopardize the health of others with 2nd hand smoke. I work in the health care industry and see first hand what smoking does to a person as well as their families. If you knew what the real risk of smoking were I guarantee you or anyone else would take another drag. Listen up John Bean, I refuse to eat in resturant that allows smoking. If and when I eat out, I go to Starkville and Tupelo where elected official have voted yes to a smoking ban because they care about the people of their communities. Mr. Karriem it doesn't take a brain surgeon or a public hearing to figure out what is best for the community. Haven't you heard Smoking is BAD for everyone. There is no research that has found smoking benificial to one's health.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
OLDALUM at 11/17/2009 3:56:00 PM: Hey, Dave. I wish you could see some of these OLD women, especially some of those who don't do ANYTHING to contribute to society! LOL

All I can say is that you must be talking about women from another university, and that you also have no earthly idea what you are talking about.
Dave at 11/17/2009 2:39:00 PM: @W Supporter

The bitter old aulms are the reason the W is failing. Most are old women, who don't contribute anything to society except think their opinion is the only one that matters in cases involving the university. They would rather argue over which group of alums brown noses more. The demise of The W, like Rome, was caused within.

Like it or not, the W needs to consolidate with the largest university in the state. Or we can do it your way...NOT combine and let the W close. It would always make a good soccer complex.
Karriem to ask council to wait on smoking rules 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Bob at 11/17/2009 1:55:00 PM: You must realize that a well funded "war on smokers" is underway. Here's where it started:

http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?ia=143&id=14912

And what the 99 million dollars was going to. Note on page seven the "inside -out", provision going for patios later, AFTER business owners spend thousands of dollars to build them to accommodate their smoking customers, clearly showing that the tobacco control activists have ABSOLUTLY NO CONCERN about local issues or businesses. You may need to CTRL and scoll to enlarge it.

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

Here's the "model ban" from page eight that your lawmakers copied, printed, and passed. It's the "smoking ban for dummies" It only takes a few minutes to fill in the blanks naming your community, the administrators names, and blanks to customize it to your community.

http://www.no-smoke.org/document.php?id=229

KJ at 11/17/2009 1:54:00 PM: Just make it illegal already. Go for it. Criminalize it like marijuana. Control-freak cowards.
MUW merger plan: State wouldn’t see savings until 2012 11/17/2009 10:51:00 AM
Mark at 11/17/2009 1:22:00 PM: Reply to W Supporter,
If all you can do is result to name calling then it proves you have no evidence to the contrary. Facts, statistics and numbers have been provided as evidence that the W can not stand on its own, add in constant bickering of alumni and low attendance.
On your side you provide "Barbour is an idiot"
Guess who has the edge?
W Supporter at 11/17/2009 12:48:00 PM: Barbour is an idiot.. He needs to lower the legislatures' pay and not move to close a historical institution. All he will be doing is cutting the economy for Columbus and causing more layoffs.